The PAX 2 Vaporizer For Dry Herb

The PAX 2 vaporizer is the second generation of one of the best-selling portable vapes of all time, the original PAX (the black one in my pics).


UPDATE: This review is outdated now and some of my thoughts and feelings about this vape have changed. Check out my top picks for best portable vaporizer to see which models I currently rate the highest. Stay up! -Bud


If you’re not familiar with this unit at all, this is a portable herbal vaporizer that’s excellent as a pocket vape for use on-the-go. The new one is even smaller and lighter than the original, and its brushed aluminum shell gives it a sleeker look and feel.

PAX 2Key changes with the PAX 2:

– 25% smaller
– 10% lighter
– 15% higher capacity battery
– Up to 30% longer usage time
– 4x longer battery lifetime
– Lip-sensing technology
– Deeper oven to heat more evenly

New Mouthpieces

It comes with two silicone inserts that act as mouthpieces now, and you basically just push them into place on top to attach them, there’s no more mechanics that need to be lubricated or frequently cleaned to ensure proper function. So technically this is an improvement, because the retractable mouthpiece is somewhat of a hot zone for issues with the original.

Draw Hole One of the mouthpieces is completely flush with the top of the unit, and the other one resembles the mouthpiece of the original model but it’s a little smaller. I’m not in love with the feel of the one that sticks up so I use the flat one and it’s actually kinda cool. A benefit of using the flush mouthpiece is that you can stand the vape upside-down while you pack the oven, you can’t do that with the other one.

Performance & Vapor Quality

I’m diggin it! When the vape is clean and fresh taking draws is easy and enjoyable, and vapor production is above average so you get nice clouds. I must say that for its size and for being a conduction vape this thing performs really well, but it’s important that the oven stays clean to keep it running in tip-top shape. Once residue starts building up in the oven extra draw resistance can creep in, which isn’t terrible but it will slowly affect the vaping experience. I pop my screen out and give the chamber a quick scrub every few sessions, but I’ll talk more about maintenance in a minute.

The vapor it produces is smooth and comfortable, and definitely a little better than the original. There are 4 temperature settings with this one – levels 2 and 3 seem to provide the best experience in my opinion and at these temps the vapor never really gets harsh unless you draw longer than about 8 seconds.

Original PAX & PAX 2 I’d say the taste is good overall, it’s above average for sure and flavor is improved over the original. It’s better in the beginning of your session but the vapor is always pretty pure, and for its small size the vapor quality is actually pretty impressive.

The oven in the new PAX 2 is a tiny bit smaller but it’s also slightly deeper. They designed the new one this way to maximize the surface area of material being heated which helps it perform a little better.

Sipping vs Ripping

There are two types of PAX users: those who sip, and those who rip. If you’re a sipper, the new model produces more vapor from a short ~2-4 second draw than the original, which is a bit above average. My wife is a sipper, and she was already happy using the original model, so she’s very happy with the new one (happy wife, happy life). Rippers will be pretty satisfied too, generally the longer you pull the more vapor you’ll get and it stays nice and smooth. Either way, drawing slowly is the key to great results.

What I noticed throughout my time using this vape so far is that I personally start off my sessions by taking short sips, but about halfway through I find myself taking longer draws to keep vapor production up.

Draw Resistance

Inside Mouthpiece The original model has above average draw resistance, meaning it doesn’t feel completely free-flowing when you pull from it. Conduction vapes are usually like this because sometimes too little resistance in the draw can actually hinder vapor production. The new one is better in this area and feels more free-flowing, most notably when it’s clean and there’s no residue restricting airflow around the screen.

The oven screen is purposefully made to be slightly larger than the chamber itself, and this is why it always seems to be sticking up a little on one side. After you clean the chamber and put your screen back in there’s an optimal way to do it for the best air flow – you want the screen resting slightly off the bottom over the vapor path hole, and you don’t want to press any part of it down too hard.

Lip-Sensing Technology

So the PAX 2 is said to be able to detect your lips on the mouthpiece and “optimize heat and vapor production” for the best performance. I do think the new model performs better than the original so maybe they’re actually on to something with this, I guess I just don’t fully understand how this is even possible, but hey I’m no engineer! ;)

I asked the manufacturer for an explanation of how this works and here’s a summary:

Bottom This feature helps provide more consistent draws and prevents the unit from over-cooking your material when you’re not actively vaping from it. When no draw is detected the temperature in the chamber is slightly lowered so the contents don’t continue to heat unnecessarily (every 20 seconds your lip is not sensed the oven’s temp is reduced by 9°F). Then when it detects your lips on the mouthpiece it quickly heats the oven back up to the set temp to replenish the heat and produce a more consistent draw over a wide range of usage.

Taste, efficiency and vapor production are said to be improved with this lip-sensing feature, and I’d have to agree with that.

Efficiency

With a fully packed chamber, which is somewhere around 0.3g or so, you can expect roughly 15 nice draws. If you sip from it you’ll get closer to 20 draws, but if you rip it that’s pretty much the max. This is fairly average for a portable vape and is roughly on par with the original, maybe a tad more efficient.

Oven The max capacity of the oven will vary a little depending on how finely you grind your herbs and how tightly you pack it. At a minimum, grind your material to a medium-fine consistency, and if you want maximum vapor production grind it up extra fine. Overfill the chamber when you first load it and then tamp it down so that it’s pretty firm in there, you don’t want your stuff loose or moving around cus it won’t work very well like that.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Keeping your unit clean is very important for optimal performance and results. Luckily with the new version there are no mechanical parts in the mouthpiece that need to be cleaned or lubricated like the original, so the process is much less involved.

Screen Removal However, the oven is still an area of concern as it tends to build up hardened residue fairly quickly (for me). Sometimes after just a few sessions I find the draw resistance getting a little harder, so I pop out my chamber screen and give the oven a quick scrape with my pick tool to give it a basic cleaning. The consistency of your herbs, or how finely they’re ground up, can affect how quickly residue builds inside. Generally the finer you grind the more vapor you get but you’ll need to clean the oven more often, so find a happy medium that works for you and gets you the vapor you want.

You’ll notice that the “screen” is not really a screen at all, it’s more of a stainless steel plate with grooves around the edges. These grooves are where the air flows through to the mouthpiece, so when they get a little gunked up with residue it can make it a little harder to pull from.

So this is all I find myself having to do to keep it running smoothly, and then every dozen sessions or so it’s time for a more thorough cleaning. This is easy – first remove the mouthpiece and pop out the oven screen. You can do this by dampening one of the pipe cleaners they include with a little isopropyl alcohol (which they also include) and pushing it down the vapor path until it pushes out the screen at the bottom.

Oven Cleaning This will simultaneously clean the stainless steel vapor path itself where residue builds, and the next step is to scrub the oven a little with that iso-dampened pipe cleaner. The chamber will be easier to clean if the vape is warm, so this is good to do right after a session. Give the screen a quick once-over also to remove any buildup, and the silicone mouthpieces can be quickly wiped clean with a dampened cotton swab.

Charging & Battery Life

This is different with the new model, it takes a little longer to charge now but the battery lasts longer.

Fully charging the battery to 100% will take between 2-3 hours if it’s completely depleted, and from a full charge you can expect at least 90 minutes of usage before it dies. It’ll last a tad longer on the lower heat settings – on level 2 I’ve been getting around eight 12-minute sessions which is not too shabby.

Magnetic Charger The original had just 1 hour of battery life but it also only took 1 hour to fully recharge. I personally charge all my vapes after every session or two under normal circumstances, so I kind of valued the short charge time of the original more than the longer life of the new one. However, this is really personal preference, 2-3 hours is really not an extremely long charge time, it’s pretty average.

They don’t include a USB wall adapter in the retail box (they’ll have one you can add-on) but these adapters are pretty universal so chances are you have one lying around somewhere already (have an iPhone?). If you happen to have the original PAX already the wall charger that’s included with that one can plug into the new model’s charger as well (see picture below). My original unit is pretty old though, I believe if you got yours more recently the charger looks a little different.

Plug-in Charger The output of the adapter you use will affect how long the battery takes to charge. If you charge via USB through a computer for example you’re looking at about 3 hours to 100% charge. However, if you use a 2A wall adapter then charge time to 100% is reduced to about 2 hours.

It also now has a magnetic charger that attracts to the contacts on the back of the unit instead of charging through the mouthpiece area like the original – this design is more streamlined and I like it, it’s pretty sleek. The cord that it comes with is very short but it does use the standard micro-USB adapter so getting extra cords or just longer ones is not an expensive endeavor.

Warranty

The PAX warranty is one of the best in the biz, if not the best. They cover defects for 10 years and they’re not just all talk, they actually provide excellent customer service and support. Everyone who’s contacted me about getting their unit repaired or replaced has been very happy with their quick turnaround.

What I Don’t Like

The oven screen should have been improved more. It doesn’t look like it fits properly and the fact that the corner of it sticks up a little just makes it feel less luxurious to me for some reason. More importantly, you still need to clean the oven & screen regularly to keep it in tip top shape, which I was hoping wouldn’t be a concern anymore. Hopefully the manufacturer is able to work on this and come out with improved screens in the near future.

Odor – there’s a smell emitted from the oven when the vape is on that is a little on the strong side. The original has the same issue, and some other portables do too, but most people would argue that it kinda limits the stealth-factor. I only notice an odor when I’m actively vaping from it, for me the unit is pretty odorless when cooled down and not in use, but I’ve gotten a few reports from people who said the mouthpiece area trapped more odor than they’d like. No vapes are going to be completely odorless, but if I had to pick which models smell more than others I’d say this one falls a little on the smelly side.

PAX Vapor

What I Like

Performance is pretty damn good considering how small this thing is. The amount of vapor you can get and the quality of it is definitely above average for a portable, and it does perform a little better than the original (when it’s clean :P). I really like how it performs well with both short and long draw durations, this allows people with different draw styles (like my wife and I) to both have a good experience when vaping together.

The simpler mouthpiece design is actually pretty smart and a really big advantage of it will be how many issues it avoids. I do think the retractable mouthpiece of the original version is cool, but it does have its fair share of drawbacks.

What I Love

This is basically the most portable vape I’ve reviewed so far aside from pens. It’s tiny, it weighs nothing and it fits anywhere. When I leave home and want to take a vape with me this is one of the first models I think of.

The new outer shell looks sleek, has an elegant feel and is overall way more solid than the original – I’d definitely consider this one sexier and more luxurious. I love the minimalist design of the outside also, it’s super simple but a pleasure to hold and use.

Battery life is pretty awesome at 90 minutes of usage before it dies – If you figure a typical full session is 10-15 minutes then you can get upwards of 9 sessions or so on one charge, which is a lot of vaping :)

It’s super easy to use too, first-time vapers should have no problem getting good results quickly (just be sure to pack the oven properly).

Lastly, their warranty and support rocks. I would say they sit well-above most other companies in the service department, so if you’re worried about something breaking or not working in the future, don’t be.

So… is it worth the price?

Yes, and even more so now that the price has been reduced to $200 (it was originally $280 when I posted this review).

It’s a very well-rounded, good looking, good performing vape. It has also proven to be extremely reliable, I’ve received virtually zero defect complaints and the original unit shown in my review still works like new.

I also still enjoy mine as much as I did when I first got it and it’s now summer 2016, so it’s definitely a solid choice and I think you’ll be really happy with it.

Click here to buy one with free shipping from the authorized PAX dealer I personally recommend. I get compensated if you buy through my link and your support means the world to me!

You can also pick one up direct from the official PAX store, they currently ship to the USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Germany, Italy, and France.

Stay up!
-Bud

ALSO, definitely check out NewVape who makes some really cool and useful accessories for the PAX 2, including new oven screens and vented oven lid, as well as a water pipe adapter. These are really well-made pieces that are precision machined from the highest grade metals.

The bottom oven screen they produce is much more robust than the OEM screen and it’s designed to improve airflow through the chamber, which in turn helps reduce draw resistance. The vented oven lid they offer with the holes in it is designed to accomplish the same thing, improve air flow. An added bonus of their bottom screen is that it also helps reduce maintenance, you can go more sessions without having to clean the oven and draw resistance will not be affected.

The PAX2 Pusher is what you would use when you want to pack less than a full chamber of herb. This is very handy, it’s basically the advanced solution to the screen method I describe in this post. This piece is actually adjustable also and let’s you vape as little as .1g at a time.

Here are some pics of the accessories:
NewVape PAX Accessories PAX 2 Oven Bottom Screen PAX 2 Pusher Vented Oven Lid


Hydra Vapor Tech makes some slick aluminum cases for the PAX 2 that not only hold the vape but also the charger, a small cleaning tool, and some herb. This is a hard shell case that slides open from the bottom, check it out:

Hydra Vapor Tech Titan 2 Case


PAX released a limited edition Electric Blue color in summer 2016, it’s pretty hot:

PAX 2 Electric Blue

238 comments

  • I use this as a primary bowl, I pretty much only use this and I’ve had it for over a year now and love it. Never an issue. Bought the better screen and sandwich press and find it useful that I don’t have to pack a full bowl. I clean once a week on a light week twice on a heavy week.

  • This is such a bad product. PAX burns your lips even when you follow their directions. Beware there are no returns. So you can easily throw away $200

  • Badly designed…I purchased it a few months ago and it came with all the Pax 1 accessories so of course, nothing worked. It was not a good experience…still is.

  • We got the pax2 2 years ago and loved it until it died. There is no way to contact paxlabs except through submitting claim. Submitted multiple claims with no response. If it is not covered under warranty just tell me, but no response is lame. Don’t let the 10 yr warranty be a deciding factor over another vape.

  • They give it a 10 year warranty cause they fail constantly. I’ve sent my PAX 2 in over 10 times for replacement due to the “10x Blue Flashing LED of death” upon powering up. While I was waiting for my most recent replacement in the mail I went to the smoke shop and bought a Pax 3…… Which lasted a whole 2 months before its “Two Blue Blinking LED’s on the right side” when powered up. Now the customer service USED to be great and you would get a reply in a day or 2 max and a return label to send the dead one in AND you would get a brand new replacement via Priorty mail 5 days later. Now it sucks …. I opened a support ticket for the PAX 3 on Aug 11th and I have still yet to get a reply. I started a second ticket on the 24th for the same one….. No word yet, So while I have been waiting to get a reply I’ve been using my spare PAX 2… Well I’ll be damned… Turn it on to take a puff and…. The 10x blue light BS!!! They told me it’s a known problem with the thermocouple (temp sensor) inside the oven. They know how buggy these are but I’m sure the cost per unit is somewhere in the $40 range so they are making money hand over fist hence the capability to offer a 10 year warranty. So now I have a dead 2 and 3 with no support action. I will not be buying another PAX.

    Pax Case # 0105xxx : 2 Blinking right side LED’s upon powering up Opened Aug 11th – No reply so I opened another.

  • I absoloutely love my pax2 have no desire to get a 3 , some people think it’s pricey but it’s 100 percent worth it , will never return to smoking.

    PROS

    The Pax is so discreet and even made it to Amsterdam and back (with some time spent cleaning properly) as no one knows what the hell it is used for just pack it with your electronics. You also get so much more out of your weed compared to smoking , I like to start at heat setting two and after around 10 draws increase the heat to 3 I never go to 4 as it gets too toasty . Then when I feel it is finished I stir up the toasted plant and go for another 5 draws or so before it’s completely finished so the pax is great for using your herb to the fullest , I like to grind my herb thoroughly at least twice over for best results . The pax is also very long lasting when it comes to Battery life, Another con is the cleanliness of flavour from not mixing with tobacco like with traditional smoking , so it’s a clean full herby flavour .another major pro is that I passed a blood drug test the same day that I had vaped.
    Another pro is that the smell doesn’t linger so you can vape more discreetly and hide it better .

    CONS
    if you are a regular joint smoker this will not get you as high so you need to detox from smoking for a long time to feel the benefits of vaping . Cleaning is needed regularly or a build up will Happen of sticky resin that can harden and become impossible to get off if left too long, cleaning each individual part can be fiddly and time consuming . Another con is the experience of blowing out a lot of vape , you do get a smoky effect that is visible (first five draws especially) but sometimes it’s just not noticeable and this can dampen the experience for some people as they like to see lots of smoke coming out . The oven screen can be sometimes hard to clip in after cleaning or when you want to replace it . The external mouthpiece provided is a waste of time as it gets unbearably hot on your lips .

    On the whole I would give this pax 9/10 , it’s great .

  • Some quick advice, followed by an explanation:

    For optimum Pax 2 performance, first get a fine grinder, like the magic flight grinder (sold on amazon); next, go to newvape and purchase the following (in order of importance): 1) the pusher with vented oven lid, 2) the replacement screen, 3) the cleaning rod, and 4) the Pax loading tool.

    When I purchased my Pax 2, I was excited to give it a try. I purchased a Santa Cruz shredder, and gave my material a smooth, but course grind. I loaded up the oven and was somewhat disappointed by the results: small vape clouds and I mostly cooked the material.

    I quickly decided to follow the vapecritic’s advice and purchased a magic flight grinder and the newvape pusher with the vented oven lid combo. I also purchased the cleaning rod. The results were significantly improved: nice vape clouds and results, but..I regretted not obtaining the replacement screen. While I found that cleaning the Pax 2 was easy (especially with the cleaning rod), the original screen was getting bent from popping it in and out with each cleaning. It was also obvious that the screen was not going to last. So I went back to newvape and purchased the replacement screen.

    When the little piece of metal arrived, I loaded up my Pax 2 for a test drive. Wow, what an improvement: big clouds with good initial flavor and long sessions. The combination of grinding the material to a fine powder and using the pusher and replacement screen–to create a tight seal with good ventilation– significantly improved the Pax 2 performance.

    I think you may end up using and consuming more material (due to oven size) when compared to combustion, but it is a cleaner experience. Furthermore, if you want to conserve your material, the pusher will work with a relatively smaller amount, but the vape volume with be smaller as well.

    I have tried the Volcano in coffeeshops in the NL and in SF and while the Pax 2 is not in same league as the Volcano, it is a very good alternative if you want something smaller and portable.

    Finally, I would like to thank the vapecritic for all of the helpful advice.

    Bottom line: you can use the Pax 2 without all of the accessories I mentioned, but if you are going to spend $200+, you should invest in the accessories to get the optimum experience. BTW, even the loading tool is quite useful – it makes it easier to scoop up the fine powder that is produced by the fine grinder.

  • Some quick advice, followed by an explanation:

    For optimum Pax 2 performance, first get a fine grinder, like the magic flight grinder (sold on amazon); next, go to newvape.com and purchase the following (in order of importance): 1) the pusher with vented oven lid, 2) the replacement screen, 3) the cleaning rod, and 4) the Pax loading tool.

    When I purchased my Pax 2, I was excited to give it a try. I purchased a Santa Cruz shredder, and gave my material a smooth, but course grind. I loaded up the oven and was somewhat disappointed by the results: small vape clouds and I mostly cooked the material.

    I quickly decided to follow the vapecritic’s advice and purchased a magic flight grinder and the newvape pusher with the vented oven lid combo. I also purchased the cleaning rod. The results were significantly improved: nice vape clouds and results, but..I regretted not obtaining the replacement screen. While I found that cleaning the Pax 2 was easy (especially with the cleaning rod), the original screen was getting bent from popping it in and out with each cleaning. It was also obvious that the screen was not going to last. So I went back to newvape and purchased the replacement screen.

    When the little piece of metal arrived, I loaded up my Pax 2 for a test drive. Wow, what an improvement: big clouds with good initial flavor and long sessions. The combination of grinding the material to a fine powder and using the pusher and replacement screen–to create a tight seal with good ventilation– significantly improved the Pax 2 performance.

    I think you may end up using and consuming more material (due to oven size) when compared to combustion, but it is a cleaner experience. Furthermore, if you want to conserve your material, the pusher will work with a relatively smaller amount, but the vape volume with be smaller as well.

    I have tried the Volcano in coffeeshops in the NL and in SF and while the Pax 2 is not in same league as the Volcano, it is a very good alternative if you want something smaller and portable.

    Finally, I would like to thank the vapecritic for all of the helpful advice.

    Bottom line: you can use the Pax 2 without all of the accessories I mentioned, but if you are going to spend $200+, you should invest in the accessories to get the optimum experience. BTW, even the loading tool is quite useful – it makes it easier to scoop up the fine powder that is produced by the fine grinder.

  • hello men, i got my pax 2 yesterday but no visibile vapor!
    I followed all the advices, but nothing!
    May be it because I have only tried it with the peppermint that I received in the package?
    thanks a lot

  • Hey Bud,

    I am trying to decide between the Pax 2, the Alfa, and the CFV vaporizers. I am what you would consider a “ripper” and I like to have big clouds. I like to have smooth rips with big clouds. Which do you recommend? Thanks!!

  • hey man ive watched a bunch of review including from yourself almost all of em. I’m deciding on either the new pax 3/pax2 or the mighty. ive had the pax 1 and I liked it a lot. But I see how the mighty is also convection and am interested in that with also the dials to the temp in the front very convenient. ive also seen the firefly 2 because it is convection but I’m not to attracted to that one even though ive heard the vapor quality is the best.

    I was hoping you could say your input on these 3 kinds when it comes to vapor quality and battery life which one you would prefer. its kinda hard to not choose the mighty over the pax products but ive heard that there is a possibility of a defect. one has 10 year warranty while the mighty only has 2 year warranty. so I’m really confused with the choices I have :/

  • Hi dude I don’t know which one to get the Pax 2 or the Firefly 2 I have the first Pax ready I love it I want to try to Firefly which one should I get

  • You are one of the best reviewers, regardless of product, that I have come across, thank you for giving a no bs review of the product and helpful tips for the product. I upgraded to a pax2 from a Wulf Vape Classic and it was worth it. I can’t even feel the Vape going down and the taste is better then my old one as well. Thanks for everything!

  • Bud, thansk for your review, very helpful.
    One question, I would like to buy a vaporizer to substitute sigarettes (made with rolling tobacco). Is there some vapo that can vaporize tobacco?

  • “I love the product. BUT, you better hope it doesn’t break. It’s been almost a month now on a warranty submission, and still now word from them on a replacement product. Even emailed the CEO – no response.”

  • I generally get less than five vapes from this device. The quantity of vapor is minimal. It also burns my lips every time I use it. Any ideas of what I am doing wrong. I am totally dissatisfied with this unit.

  • I had my Pax 2 for only about 3 weeks of heavy medical use and it burned out and would not heat back up to proper temperature. Returning to Ploom but really disappointed. Wondering if other heavy medical users experience this problem or if it is isolated? Don’t want to keep burning them out if they can’t handle it.

    • My pax 2 stopped working also. It turns on and the redlights dim and get brighter a few times then all lights flash blue 10 times and it powers off. I purchased direct from ploom. Opened a ticket via support and received automated reply back. That was 3 days ago and nothing since.

      Very disappointing.

  • I want to attempt making shatter with a hair straightener. Can I Vape it alone in a Pax2 oven, or put some atop some flower in the Pax? I don’t have anything else to Vape it in, so I’m praying this will work. Advice please? I love your reviews btw:)

  • For $280, I am having some extreme buyers resource right now. I just bought the PAX 2 last night and tried to use the PAX twice only to fail and ruin my leafy product. I don’t even want to put anymore product in it because I don’t want to ruin/waste more. I used a really fine grind, and didn’t pack it tight. The fresh product is dry, but not dried out… If that makes sense? I tried it first on the normal setting and then tried bumping it up to the high setting and it still won’t even produce a vapor cloud after I exhale. Please help me not completely regret spending this $280! What am I doing wrong? I haven’t heard anything negative about this product and so far I’m only disappointed. I waited super long for it to charge and then nothing. This blows more than a toothless hooker, but not in a good way. Thanks in advanced for advice you can provide!

    • You want to pack it down, firmly, not with all your weight:) Start at lowest temp. Sip slowly once you’re green to go. Usually you’ll get more taste, less vapor on that setting. Then setting 2 and when the vapor is gone, you’ll probably be stoned. I usually shut it then. When it’s cooled I open the lid. It’ll be like a little semi baked loaf, a little brown around the edges. Stir it and pack it down a little again. Then on to setting 3. When vapor’s gone, hit setting 4 til vapors gone again. You may even want to stir and repack again, and rehit on 4. When vapors all gone, your end product will be brown as coffee grounds and practically powder. Save enough of this ABV (Already Been Vaped) and add it to your brownie mix to make Stoned Brownies as there’s still 50% of the stuff that gets you stoned left in that ABV!!
      Remember…the better the weed, the better the vape and each heat setting activates different cannabinoids, so don’t miss em:) My husband and I have adored our Pax2s for 2 yrs.

  • The pax 2 is a complete disappointment! the same amount of product in the volcano and it’s a completely different experience. Would not recommend to anyone not even beginners.

    • Then you’re doing something wrong! The Pax2 is an awesome investment. Try taking your Volcano out in public like the stealthy Pax2 can be taken. It is absolutely the best for its size.

  • Based on your review, I sprang for a Pax2 and love it!
    Not perfect, but pretty damn good in all respects.
    Thanks,
    -Z

  • I find that it only works well for 1 or 2 bowls and then it has to be cleaned. I can only get the kind of clouds you’re getting in the video immediately after it’s been cleaned. I also have the Mighty, which is superior to the Pax in just about every category. If the Mighty scores similar to the Crafty at 95, I think the Pax scores in the low eighties. One of the best things about vaping is that it requires much less maintenance than a pipe or bong. In this case that’s not true. I found it to be disappointing.

    • I vape all day, every 2 hrs. or so with mine and can go a couple days before I must clean mine. Can’t fathom why you need to clean yours so often. Are you a clean freak? Lol.

  • I have 3 pax 2’s and after using all of them extensively,{3-5 times daily} they all have broken. The off and on button slowly gets harder to push with age, and finally after using them a lot, 10 months worth I can no longer turn any of them on! Have you any advice for me, have you heard of this problem before? Thanks i’m very disappointed with these results, I hope I don’t have to buy a 4th one. THANKS

  • Hey Bud,
    I just bought the Pax and was excited try it. I have a problem with the mouth piece burning my lips when I draw on it. Is this normal? If it is I don’t think I can put up with it .

    • Hey you have to use the flat mouthpiece, unfortunately the lip burning thing is an issue with the one that sticks up, but the flat one is actually pretty cool.

  • Highly recommend this pair of $3 silicone caps for smell: delta3dstudios.com/pax2-caps-pair/

    They need to be stretched out a few times because they’re made to fit the Pax 2 exactly, but you just slip them on (after session) and there’s literally zero odor.

    Delta 3D also has an $18 water adapter made from silicone, which means it both fits better and is cheaper than the $36 metal one from NewVape (but I definitely recommend everything else from NewVape). The fit is really important because of suction.

    Also a $9 loading funnel that sits on top of the oven and fits the MF finishing grinder (and another version for Santa Cruz mini).

    And a $14 upright charging dock – looks good but I haven’t bought it yet.

    Anyway, my main recommendation here is the caps because they are so cheap and honestly smell is a big problem for the Pax 2 (it’s a good smell, just very strong).

    delta3dstudios.com/portable-vaporizer-accessories/pax2-vaporizer/

    • cleaning vapes

      A lot of time goes into cleaning vaporizers.

      How much time do you spend cleaning yours in
      one month. How many times do you fill the
      chamber before you must clean.

      How much trouble are those little holes to clean
      that are on the IQ Davinci.

      You can ask friends and post results here I hope.
      I need a good average.

      I probably spend 10 mins each week.

  • I have a pax2, loved the thing for 5 months then the battery died. tried over a week to get help from pax they will not help. There 10 year warranty is useless they do NOT stand behind there vapes. The pax 2 is a rip off the battery just died and there is nothing you can do. Sent email after email all they say is there looking into it. For the money they should warranty the vap but all they want is your money they just don’t care.

    • Did you get it from VapeWorld? If so, maybe they could help? Sorry, my husband and I both have been very satisfied with ours for 2 years.

  • Did any have tried using the pax2 with hash? Moroccan hash? Afghani? Pollen? Kief? Pressed hash or whatever u want to name it ?

  • Sucks, The oven cover keeps coming off. I lost it yesterday in the lake. The charger is a piece of junk. The magnets don’t hold the unit to the charger.
    Otherwise okay.

    • Never take a vaporizer “into the lake”. That was your first mistake. The magnetic lid cover I don’t believe will fall off by itself. However if it’s poked on a corner of it it will probably come right off. This has happened to me inside my purse. I’ve also misplaced it while cleaning my Pax2, which sucked. You can always order an extra lid from Vapeworld.com. I did…just in case. It would be nice if the lid could be secured to the Pax, but I tried an Alfa that had an attached lid and it seemed to get in the way of loading. It also didn’t vape as well as my Pax2 FYI.

  • I’ve had both Pax and Pax 2 and both of them have the same problem, they run too hot. It burns your lips and damages your teeth – AVOID BOTH PAX MODELS.

    • Gotta disagree. The raised mouthpiece on the Pax2, I agree, can be a hurtful hot time and I rarely use it. But I’ve never had a problem with the flat one. And the vapor is warm of course, but never hot.

  • their poor customer service is not even in the same galaxy as MFLB’s. it is very hard to reach anyone at Ploom.

  • Hey bud. Love the vids and they help a lot. I have the vapium summit and I really like it. Would you recommend upgrading to the Pax 2? How much better it’s it?

  • Hey bud,
    Which vaporizer out of the haze v3 and the pax 2 do you recommend more. I know the haze does have nice feautures the dual bowl and exchangable batteries are nice aswell.

  • Thanks Bud. Great work on all your reviews.

    I started with the Davinci Ascent and it needed warranty work so I bought this one after reading your reviews.

    I really enjoy all its aspects. Good draw. Fully delivers on hit. Cleaning is a pain (are they not all?) but simple. Overall the ‘iPhone of vaporizers’ when looking at design and usability.

    Would I recommend this unit? I do not use my Ascent anymore…:)

    Vape on!

  • You posted about the original PAX wanting full load of finely ground product and using a regular pipe screen to help with less than full chamber to get the compression that the PAX likes.

    An easy way to do this is buy a couple extra of the oven liners from PAX. Put the product in the oven and put one of the extra PAX screens on top and use it to tamp down the products in the chamber.

    It works better than trying to fold a pipe screen. It allows less than full chambers

  • I am looking for the best portable vaporizor with the biggest chamber i am a heavy smoker n dont like having to keep refilling my vape i neeg something i can just pack and smoke untill i am where i wanna be and done can you help.me out plz

  • Hi Bud.
    I’ve been in contact with Pax Support and talking about vaposhop they say it is not an “authorized partner”. They sure can confirm the originality of the products sold, but suggested me to check for the their warranty. I’ve wrote to vaposhop customers service and I’m still waiting for a response. PAX Pro’s suggested me magicvaporizers as european “authorized partner”.
    Don’t know if I’ve well understand:
    If I get the PAX from “vaposhop” I’ll not have the 10 year warranty, but 1 year (?) warranty and repair in Europe… and if I get the PAX from “magicvaporizers” I’ll have the original 10 y.w. and repair in USA..?
    Thanks for your time

    • Thanks for posting Ander!

      Please do let me know what they tell you about the warranty terms, because I have experience with VapoShop and they’re a really good company that takes care of their customers, I’m sure the fact that they’re not completely authorized is just a technicality.

      I haven’t heard of the magicvaporizers store and I don’t have any experience with them so unfortunately I can’t comment accurately on their service I’m sorry!

      • Hi Bud,

        I purchased a Pax 2 and after about a month of use (and careful cleaning) my power button seems to be stuck. I’ve been attempting to contact customer service for literally months (bought directly from PaxVapor website) with absolutely no response.

        Can you tell me how you were able to contact customer service? I’ve never had such a poor service experience :(

        • Hey I’m bummed to hear that!!

          But that definitely doesn’t sound like PAX support, have you tried submitting a support ticket through their site by clicking the ‘customer care’ link at the top of the page?

      • First of all, my Pax2 is finally arrived… and in a “full easter eggs” version..! Very nice. And most important, works great…
        I’ve double-checked Vaposhop warranty and (exactly as you said) this is the verdict: same as manufacturer. 10 year warranty, with 2 years of full support by vaposhop itself (even better than manufacturer, maybe..?).
        So I can only thank you again Bud. You make me discover vapor, you linked me to the right shop, and you teached me how to get the best from my Pax (!magicflight grinder!).
        Last step: a little visit at NewVape for some… hardcore stuff: pusher, vented lid 2, oven screen, reclaim rod. Full update… right?
        Launch a vapor signal if you ever pass by Italy, you’ll be my guest!

          • Is the vented oven lid worth it? I have heard on other sites that it has lead to an increase in smell and herb has fallen out the bottom. Does the increase air flow make the device less stealthy and efficient?

  • I just bought this product and its a waste of money. The Pax website does not honor refunds even if purchased through an authorized dealer! BEWARE! I used it twice and it went back in the box! The Hebe $25 works 10 times better. I just got the Da Vinci and im satisfied with it. The Pax sucks and youre falsely advertising and making promises that are not true for the $260+ that i just pissed away! Any one disagree, you can buy it off of me.

    • Why are you asking for the refund to the Pax website instead of asking it to your… “authorized dealer”?
      I got a fake PAX2 from a trusted, but not authorized dealer, and I think I’ll finally re-buy a real one from vaposhop (anyway, not from you) like Bud rightly suggest (what a confortable site…) for the european vaporizers (what’s YOURS dealer, then?). Because even the fake works, and I can only expect the real one performs better. Anyway, It’s always a matter of taste, choice and habit. Wish you happiness.

  • Thanks for your great reviews.

    I have Pax 2 on order for my wife and we can’t wait for it to arrive. That said, I’m a regular e-juice vapor user with a KangerTech Subox Mini. It’s been a great way to quite smoking cigarettes.

    It would be great if you could review the automizer attachments that have been coming out for the last few years. From what I am reading the quality has been improving. Seems like no one is reviewing them at your level of comparisons and objectivity.

    It would be great to see someone giving a top three opinion for both flower and concentrate atomizer attachments. I would also want to know how you compare the quality to Portable Vapes and Vape Pens.

  • Sir,

    I really appreciate your time and effort to review the Vapes out there. I’ve decided I want a Pax 2. My question is why are there $160 versions on EBay? Are they counterfits or what. Where are the genuine Pax 2’s made?

    Thanks

    Marc

    • Yes there are tons of fakes and counterfeits of the Pax!

      Definitely don’t buy it on ebay or any site that sells it for less than the list price, they’re not an authorized dealer and they could be selling fake units.

      • Absolutely, don’t use ebay, i learned the hard way and got a fake, it’s a damn good one, seemed to work ok, but it’s definitely a counterfeit, i returned it for a refund.

        I am just going to purchase it here using the link, i wonder if it’ll work even better? In all honesty the thing did pretty well for a fake.

  • Hello, I am new to vaping and am thinking about getting the Pax 2. I have a couple questions. 1) Is there a cover that covers the flush mouthpiece? If I keep the Pax 2 in my pocket I want to make sure the mouth piece doesn’t get dirty. 2) Would you recommend using the Pax 2 pusher if don’t plan on using all the contents in the chamber at one time. 3) How do you determine which heat setting to use? Why would you want a higher heat versus a lower heat?

    Thanks.

    • What’s up!

      1 – unfortunately there is not :( you will want to keep it inside of a case or sleeve to keep the mouthpiece free of debris

      2 – yes I would

      3 – it’s always best to start low and work your way up, so put it on level 1 heat first and then bump it up to level 2 after 5 draws so you can see the difference — I rarely, if ever, go above level 2, but it’s all personal preference!

  • How do I know when the tobacco is fully burned. It’s not like other burns, it’s sort of brown, how do you really know. Is it just when there is no more vapor or is there a certain color or quality that you look for?

    BT

    • You pretty much know your herb is totally spent when it’s a darkened brownish color and it smells like burnt popcorn.

      Everyone has their own preference of how “far” they vape their herb so it’s really whatever you like!

  • I just got my new pax 2 & it does not draw at all. I’ve watched all the videos, etc, but no where does this seem to be a problem for others. f**k. I live in Central America so cannot return easily….

  • I originally was intending to purchase the Crafty but was turned off of the defect rate. I am strongly considering the Pax 2 but also wondering, in your opinion does the added pieces from Newvape improve the smell? I prefer a high quality portable vale less on the smelly side. In addition will you provide a review on the grasshopper vape?

  • Hi Crit , your videos helped me to get view on the whole VAPE market so thx for that and keep up the good work ,
    question : i want to stop smoking cigaretes and replace them with vape / herbs … in my free time and also in work , but im finding it hard to decide which vape to buy …. im now between the PAX 2 / Alfa Goboof / Summit Vapium … the last 2 are only good regarding the price …but PAX 2 sems to be overall the best even after considering the price … can you give me a hint mate ?

    best wishes from Slovakia :D

  • Can the PAX 2 be used for vaping [solid concentrates]?

    Is it better to crumble & mix the gear into some tobacco before packing the oven (much as you would make a mix [when rolling]) rather than just packing the oven with the gear (as this may melt and gunk up the device)?

  • i had the g pro as my first vape, 2 months later it broke down. I was happy with it, it did get hot air on the high setting, but it worked and got me toasted. (no warranty because i bought it on the streets for $50 Canadian.)

    I ended up purchasing a PAX 2 now, will i be even more impressed with the pax 2 when i get it? all in all i didn’t hate the g pro, just hated how it fell apart so easy.

  • Hey bud,

    I’m currently in the market for another vaporizer. I currently own the original Pax, but I want something with stronger vapor. My preferable price range is between $200-$300 but I could go up a little if needed. I like how the pax doesn’t produce too much odor which is something I want in the next vaporizer. I’m also open to desktop vapes.

  • Hi Bud,

    I am new to MM and really have no clue which portable vape to buy. The guy at the MM program said he loves his Pax, but how do I know what to buy personally?

    Thank you,
    J

  • Great review! I love the Pax 2. I picked one up in from my local shop (s/o to Austin Vape and Smoke) and haven’t run into the lip burn problem some people are seeing here.

  • I found the pax 2 very hard to draw with either mouthpiece. I prefer the flat one and after trying various suggestions, I cut part of the raised rubber ring out of the rubber that is attached to the base. Now it has amazingly easy airflow.

  • Ok, so I’m very new to vaping. I have the Pax2 but I’m not quite sure I’m doing it correctly. I do not get any clouds. I know some answers are going to be: inhale. I get it I am inhaling. I think I’m not getting something right. I feel like I’m wasting material as well. I still use a glass after so long. My material cooks cuz it turns brown, so I can only assume I’m the one screwing something up. Any tips, hints, suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

  • Vape newbie here. Ready for the big switch, after 35 years of smokin’. If I could afford it I would buy the Crafty, but, instead I think I’ll get the PAX 2. I just have a question, are any of the portable vapes good for ha*h? Mixed with some herb? I prefer one over the other but my preference seems complicated for vaping. Would appreciate your knowledgeable response! Thank you. Very good site!

  • Hey Bud Im a new customer to Pax and just purchesd “Pax 2”. Have you experienced lip burning from the newest model… I find that I get the most comfortable hits with the new model lip piece rather than the other… Look forward to hearing from you thanks

  • Hi Budd, Thanks for the best vape reviews on the net!

    I had recently bought the original PAX at a somewhat reduced price from your link, right before PAX2 came out, and I’m glad. I like it quite a bit, in fact I never want to smoke again! I kinda like the smell that comes off the oven too, in fact I love it almost as much as vaping! And it’s still stealthier than smoking.

    I use *VODKA INSTEAD OF ISOP. ALCOHOL* to clean it, because the latter is toxic and I don’t trust it, it gave me allergies.

    In my opinion, the only thing I would improve on the PAX-1 would be *the way the oven roasts the herb only on one side*— and you have to open it, stir it before it roasts the rest that’s close to the battery. But from watching this video it doesn’t look like they fixed that problem!

    (The moutpiece works fine for me because I soak it in soapy water and seasalt while I’m cleaning the rest of it and I also lubricate it well.)
    I like my Pax-1 just fine, it doesn’t make sense to pay that much more for the pax-2!

  • Between a Summit and Pax2, which has better battery life and recharging options? I currently have a MFLB and love it, except for the necessary juggling, rebuying and recharging of multiple batteries.

    If you were to choose between them in terms of price for functionality?

    Would a Summit really stand better than a Pax2 if handled roughly?

  • Just went from pax1 to pax2 today and I am not happy.

    I can’t tell whether it’s the lip sensing technology zapping me with a little bit of electricity or the hot case burning my lip… but something is definitely irritating my inner lip.

    There’s a reddit post where somebody else has run into something like this.

  • Hey Bud thanks for all the hard work and excellent reviews.
    I read where you said this unit is on the smelly side when you’re vaping which limits the overall discreteness. Stealth and discreteness what I care about the most.
    In your opinion which portable units emit the least amount of odor?
    I have the original pax and I love it. But it does get pretty smelly when the unit is on. I’m a person who typically does a session half packed every few hours. Which vape would u recommend?

    • Have you checked out the pax pusher? If so please tell me what you think. The stainless steel screen method worked fine with me. I see these guys made a brand new screen that replaces PAX’ too.

  • Thanks for the review on The Pax 2. Due to your info I just went ahead a copped one from VW through your link. Just wondering what pick tools do you use for your vape. ANd by any chance do you review or recommend any particular grinders that can get me a fine grind on the herbs? They sent some generic grinder but I’m not sure if it’ll cut it. Thanks

  • I bought a Pax2 based on your review, as this is my first vaporizer. I was quite surprised at how hard it is draw off of the flat mouthpiece (the sipper) and how hot the other mouthpiece gets. It is extremely uncomfortable to use, even at the first draw. I also find that even though I am not drawing hard, a full chamber cannot give 10 pulls with good vapor. The first few must be sips as the vapor is so full and then you have to pull hard at the end to get any. And as it takes so long for the oven to cool down, the material really cooks out. Better than a flame, but perhaps I should have chosen a non-portable vape?

  • I checked out your review right before I bought it. After a few weeks of use, I agree with every point you made.

    I was wondering how the pax 2 compared to the original pax. I used the original for a week and the flaws were evident, though manageable. Its definitely worth the extra $80 for the 2 if you don’t own the original. Anyway, your review answered all of the questions I had about the improvements. Awesome device.

  • I use the pax sandwich and I had about half an oven full that was dark brown on the outside and all green on the inside. Not sure what caused that. any ideas?

  • Hi everyone just got this today and while using the flat mouth piece the vape goes from green to blinking purple after 2 seconds of draw… What am I doing wrong?

    It’s fully charged
    Green before I start smoking
    And I have tried 2-4 power levels same thing…

  • Hello…..Thank you for all the information.

    I have bought several vaporizers and my favourite so far is the solo. I don’t like the look or size of it tho so I tried PAX just before the 2 was out. I am so disappointed in it. I called the company to exchange it for the PAX 2 but they want me to try a few things. I like a lot of vapour and I think I am a ripper not a sipper. The PAX gets me nowhere. :( I have only had the PAX for 3 -4 months and have used it only 6-8 times. The mouthpiece gets stuck, the vapour is almost non-existent and it burns out too fast. .

    I have also tried a couple of pens. I love them, but the coils are not holding up long enough. Any suggestions?

    By the way…I do clean all my vaporizors after 2 – 3 uses. Thoroughly with 99% alcohol

    • A site called Newvape sells an aftermarket oven lid for the pax that has extra ventilation built into it to theoretically give a better draw.
      I think it’s around $25.

  • [Re:] aftermarket parts for both the pax and pax2.
    I’m fine with the draw on my pax2, so I don’t think I’d purchase the vented oven cover, but the part that intrigues me is the adapter for water pipes.
    Would love to know what you think of this option…
    Thanks in advance.

  • In my research I found a video you posted that walked one through how to use the pax v2, changing the temp, turning on, cleaning… It covered just about everything one would need to know on how to use the pax v2, a owns manual of sorts. I’ve tried to relocate the tutorial again but without luck. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thank

  • Hey Bud

    Thanks for the review. Your comments are like gospel to me. I have converted from dutches and feel much better.

  • I commented this already but it was on an old post so idk if you’ll see it so I’ll just ask again. What (in your opinion) vaporizer produces the most vapor for under $200, vapor production is the most important thing to me and I want to most vapor I can get. (Portability doesn’t matter)

  • I just bought my Pax 2 two days ago and when ever i use it i don’t get a hit. There is basically no vapor coming out. Am i doing something wrong? It is brand new.

    • You may have figured it out, but there could be a few things wrong. Make sure your material is well-ground. Also, check your temp setting. Stock when I opened mine was one 1. The potency of your material can play a factor as well.

  • Hey Bud. thanks for the reviews. and info.

    got my Pax 2 the other day. Love it for bike rides and out door stuff :)

    the points about getting a Fine Grind is very true.
    i have a grinder that works well. i’m going to Invest in a finishing grinder. i can see how Dry/ fine grind is the way to Vape!

    Do you know if the battery will last longer and be more effective if you let the Pax 2 fully Drain and Charge? or does it matter if .. you charge it when it’s only at half battery life. the 3 Hour wait time for the Full charge, can seem long.

    take care.

    ~ Josh

  • Hey man thanks for all the great reviews, I was wondering if you knew if the pax 1 mouthpiece would fit in the pax 2 hole and possibly provide less draw resistance?

  • Hello Bud, thanks for all the great info.

    Quick question. I am considering buying a pax. Here is what I am specifically interested in.

    I like to take a draw, then shut it off, and take another draw, say, a couple of hours later. Pretty much like I do with a small cigarette :)).

    Will this work, or do u HAVE to consume all the herb in one smoke?

    Thanks so much in advance,

    gustavo

    • Hey good question, and it’s a common one,

      You don’t HAVE to vape it all in one shot but the experience and performance is best when you do. However, you’ll still get I’d say 90% performance if you turn the vape on and off once or twice, but any more than that and the experience will really trail off.

      A good option is to half-pack the oven top use less material, but then vape that all in one session. I describe the method in this post here: http://www.vapecritic.com/blog/2013/07/08/pax-tips/

      The procedure is the same for the PAX 1 and PAX 2, you just need to cut the screen a tiny bit smaller with the new model since the oven is not quite as wide.

      Vape it up!

    • Do not under any circumstances believe that the support is “top notch” that’s a f*cking bold faced lie. Days for an email response. A business day for a phone rep.they have no problem taking your money and not updating you with emails. Fuck this shit

    • Nice choice!

      There are a few ways to tell when your material is spent…

      One is by the color, it typically turns a medium to dark brown after it’s completely vaped.

      Another way is by vapor production, once you can’t really get any vapor from it anymore you know it’s time to reload.

      And lastly you can count how many draws you’ve taken, from a full packing I’m usually able to get around 15 draws before it’s totally done.

  • Update – It’s Rick again and I would like to provide some feedback about the residual oder. I recently ordered a Mighty and have been using it for almost two weeks now and have yet to clean it. There is virtually no smell emitted for the Mighty after the unit has cooled and the session is completed. I wish I could say the same for the Pax 2. I recently cleaned my Pax 2 very well with iso alcohol and the thing still has a strong oder that is emitted for the area below the mouth piece. The original Pax never had such a problem.

  • I love my Pax. However I am a first timer. I find that if you clean the Pax and keep it well lubed as instructions say the smell is non existent. I clean mine every other vape. Kinda anal I know. I guess Pax made this for people like me to hover over. Lol. I am not sure about the flat mouth piece on the 2.

  • Can you recommend any dry herb vape with a very small oven? Around the 0.1 or less range? I’ve heard bad things about the v2 pro and that company. Thanks!

    • The 3 best vapes I’ve reviewed for using 0.1g are the Firefly, Launch Box and V2 Pro. If you like the pen idea but don’t want to buy from V2 you can also get the sam exact unit from the vape store I recommend under the QuickDraw brand name, you’ll find a link for it on my V2 Pro page.

  • Great review man, keep them coming! I was wondering, I just got my Pax 2 and I want to keep the avb to make edibles/eat. So how should I know when to stop vaping and to empty the oven? I used it a lot yesterday on level 1 heat and I plan on going to level 2-3 for the remainder of the time I use it. Thank you!

    • Hey if you want to keep the AVB I would vape on level 1 heat only and probably for only around 10 minutes max. I think if you go longer or use it on higher heat you’ll basically be vaping everything away, but I’m not an expert on this!! ;)

  • Hi Bud… I’m trusting you on this one, I just dropped a lot of cash to buy a PAX 2 from your link. :)
    I have a cloud that has always been a nice cheap item, but I really wanted something that could handle dry material, so I found your reviews and finally settled on the PAX 2… can’t wait to get it in a couple of days!

  • Dumb question – but say I want to do a few draws and then turn the Pax 2 off? On my original Pax, I click the mouthpiece and the Pax turns off. On the Pax 2, the mouthpiece just changes the temperature, it seems, but “off” is not an option. Do I need to wait for it to detect no motion and automatically shut off? If so, this is an issue, since I like to do a few hits and then bike home, so the Pax 2 would never be completely motionless. Am I missing something obvious about how to manually end a session?

    • Haha! I had the same “problem” the first time I used it. Then I was using it with a friend and he said “Don’t you just turn it off the same way you turn it on?” Lo and behold, yes, you just press down once on the mouthpiece to turn it on and again to turn it off. I felt so silly!

  • Any plans to review the Puffit 2? I am really looking forward to what you think about it but do think it will be a real winner!

  • Do you mind if I ask, what do you consider to be medium-fine consistency? What type of grinder do you use? I feel like maybe my grinder isn’t producing a fine enough grind.

    • If you’re using a 4-piece grinder you’ll usually have to flip it over and grind with it upside-down to get your herb fine enough.

      I use Space Case, Santa Cruz, and more recently Compton Grinders and they’re all good for vaping.

      Coarse salt might be a good description of the consistency you’re looking for

  • Hi Bud,

    I would like to know that If I order the Pax 2, which I should be doing next month, If its possible to attach the original Pax power cord to the charging dock that comes with the new Pax 2? When I saw the review I was kind bummed that the new charging dock doesn’t have a wall outlet, cause USB is a nice feature but should not the standard for reacharging as I don’t always have my laptop close to me, or other electronic that has a USB port. We must agree that power outlets are more common everywhere you go. I’ve also noticed that the included USB cord is very short, less than a meter it looks like. The original Pax has a long power cord that attaches to the charging dock, so maybe it’s possible to attach it to the Pax 2’s charging dock as it has a AC plug on it. Can you test this for me since you own the Pax and Pax 2 and see if it will function and charge the Pax 2 properly? Looking forward to hearing from you. Vape it up!!!!

    • Hey Franco my original Pax charger actually does work with the new charging dock, check out this pic:

      And you’re right the cord they include is very short – it has a micro-USB adapter on the end so it should be easy and inexpensive to get a longer one, this is what the ports look like:

  • A little love for Vapeworld…
    I ordered it with free ground shipping, and I got it the next day.
    Plus, they threw in a free grinder.

      • Love this thing…
        It feels like nothing more than a pack of gum in your pocket.
        Nice taste/vapor, although if you take a long 10 second rip, it does get warm, but can’t see anyway around that with as small as it is.
        Last night I half-packed the oven firmly, and it vaped like a boss.
        It’s so stealthy, I wished they offered a camo-finish.

  • What’s up Bud? Hope all is chill with you. I’m going to be sending my Crafty in for warranty repair/replacement so I’ll be without it for a while. You think a Pax 2 would make a good temporary replacement? Once I get my Crafty back, I’d drop the Pax2 into my rotation.

    Thanks man, keep up the great work!

    • Hey man what’s up, pretty chillin over here ;)

      Bummer about your Crafty!

      You know, the more I use the new PAX the more I’m diggin it, and I was actually thinking last night that if my Crafty was dead this one would be my next choice to grab and take with me.

      So I guess yes, it is a good replacement :)

      Stay up!

  • Hello folks,

    I have been a user of the Volcano and Pax for the past year. I love them both! The Pax 2 was introduced and I liked the reduced size and improved battery so I decided to order one. I received it in the mail over the weekend and got to work! Overall, it works ok. Not great but not poor. it has some great features but also falls short in several aspects.

    I’ll start with the good. The size of the unit is great. The battery life is incredible! I fully charged it on Saturday when I first got it. So far I have had roughly 15-20 sessions and still have one of the four battery leafs left. The battery seems to be much improved over the Pax.

    The bad. I have noticed that the draw resistance can be a bit hard. I have cleaned it and try to keep the oven free from build up. However, the flat mouthpiece still seem stop have a bit of draw resistance. I will mention though that the flavor is pretty good. This offsets that a bit. Note I have not tried to use the other mouthpiece. Another MAJOR drawback for me is the odor this unit emits. Not just the material inside pre or post session but the mouthpiece in particular. The mouthpiece and the rubber lining on the top of the unit seems to retain a lot of odor. This a a major turnoff for me. Stealth is paramount to me. Therefore, i am considering selling and moving on to another unit due to this fact.

    I am considering shedding my Pax 2 and picking up a Crafty. I understand the battery in the crafty can be an issue but the smell/odor from this unit outweighs any battery issue. Have you noticed any odor from the Crafty itself? Does the unit have a strong odor to it?

    Did anyone else notice similar issues with their Pax 2 as far as the odor/smell? Any suggestions on how to mitigate it?

    Thanks,

    Martin

    • Hey man,

      I have a Crafty and I’ll tell you it smells just as much as any other vape. I have yet to find a vaporizer that doesn’t smell.

    • Snap two comments in a row with the same complaint!

      I’m going to pay more attention to it now but I haven’t personally noticed any strong smells from my mouthpiece area, only from the bottom I notice some odor emits from the oven when I’m vaping.

      After your unit cools off for a few minutes it still has a strong smell?

      The Crafty is definitely one of the least-odorous vapes I’ve reviewed, especially portables, and it doesn’t seem to have any smell at all when it’s off. For the first minute or two after you turn it off though you will still smell a little bit while it’s cooling.

      • Yes the oder is very strong after the unit has cooled down. It smells like a walking skunk. I never had this issue with the original Pax or Volcano.

      • I brought the unit to a family members house over Easter and that was the first thing he commented on. “Man, that thing really smells….” At that point I became more noticeable to me. I had about 5 sessions through it being brand new and never cleaned. I used it yesterday a bit and had it sitting on my kitchen table and noticed the smell of vape/resin in the kitchen. Mind you the oven was empty. I then had it laying on my bed while I was changing to take the dog for a walk and again the bedroom stunk really bad. After taking the original Pax with me EVERYWHERE I have noticed the Pax 2 has more of an odor with it and I cannot bring it anywhere with me. Very bummed about that.

        I cleaned it thoroughly this morning. The mouthpiece was soaked in iso and cleaned well with a tip. I am going to use it over the next few days and see how it goes. maybe even switch the outpace to see if that has an improvement with the smell or draw resistance.

        I sure hope it gets better because if not I will be selling and going to the Crafty. I would be sad to see it go and replace it with a unit at lacks battery life. Something I was so fond of with the Pax 2.

        I’ll be back…..

        Martin

          • Unfortunately, it has not improved. I have tried to clean the underside of the mouthpiece and the inside of the top chamber. It still has a terrible odor. I am seriously considering going back to my Pax 1.

            I have been researching both the Mighty and Crafty. I am not a fan of the Crafty because the unacceptable battery life and the other issues I’ve read about related to the firmware and Bluetooth.

            How would you compare the odor from the Mighty to the Pax 2?

  • I have been using the original Pax for over a year with great results and satisfaction. The unit has performed perfectly all while maintaining the ultimate in terms of stealth. It had no residual smell at all due to the all metal and plastic design, non-porous. I would typically use the Pax for 15 to 20 seasons between cleanings. The biggest thing that appealed to me with the Pax 2 is smaller size and the reduction of the mechanical mouth piece, which required cleaning. The Pax 2 has one MAJOR design flaw, rubber. The mouth piece and the underside of the mouth piece are made of rubber. Rubber is extremely porous, which allows particulates to build up. The Pax 2 stinks after about 3 uses and this is a huge concern for me because the smell will always give you away and you lose the stealth factor. I am really torn on what I should do because I really wanted the Pax 2 to workout but this effect is unacceptable because the oder is so strong. A pipe would probably yield less scent. Any ideas?

    I was thinking maybe a Crafty but it sounds like the battery is horrible.

    • Hey Rick!

      I’m really glad you enjoyed your original unit but I’m not glad you’re bummed with your PAX 2!

      I should talk about the odor more in my reviews, and I’m actually going to post a follow up video to further explain some aspects of this vape.

      However I don’t personally notice much of an odor difference between the original and the new one, and the smell I do notice mostly comes from the oven at the bottom when it’s on and in use.

      So you’re saying you smell more at the mouthpiece than at the bottom?

      The Crafty is awesome and I do think the unit itself has less of an odor than the PAX, but not totally odorless.

  • I order the pax 2 and I know how to work but need help getting vape out of it. I order it from VW can you help me out I’m thinking of getting a refund

    • Hey Todd are you having trouble getting enough visible vapor?

      Try grinding your herbs finer or packing it a little tighter to see if that helps!

  • Hey VC,

    Thanks for all of your thoughtful and thorough reviews…especially this one. Where can I find one of your cleaning picks? That’s my missing link. Thanks again!

  • I was reading your reviews on other vapes to and wanted to know when, if your going to do the minivan review based on a comment made in the volcano page

    • Lol a minivan review would be sweet to mix it up a little bit haha – check out my Dodge Caravan! SoccerMomRating: 90/100 lol

      Anyway sorry, I def have the miniVap on my list and should be getting one soon, thanks for your request!

  • Hey Bud, love your reviews man, you seem really educated om vaping and I can tell you want consumers to get the most foe their money. The one thing I wanted to comment on is that you said that you weren’t really sure about the purpose of party mode, but it’s esentially the same as the original Pax. If you leave the vape still for too long, it will cool down to conserve material, but in party mode, this will not happen. It’s actually a really useful feature!

    • Yo son! Haha you are absolutely right, besides the lights the function is to keep the vape from going into standby mode, but that actually never happens for me anyway!! Lol I never put it down when I’m vaping :)

  • Used your link cause you’re a boss. I remember one of your first reviews, the space case! Still wonder why you don’t have a santa cruz shredder haha…. Ordered the pax 2 and can’t wait, battery life was the real winner for me. the ability to session multiple times safely is crucial……. stay up my friend

  • As a seashell collecter I get all sandy all over. Would you

    recommend the pax 2, as the most protected from sand

    creeping into it?

    • Hmm never thought about something like this…

      I would say it’s risky to have ANY vape around sand, but one with no moving parts is probably the better way to go (so yes perhaps the PAX 2, but not the original with that retractable mouthpiece)

  • I’ve been reading over at FC and it looks like an iPad charger base (or any other 2.1A USB charger base) can charge the PAX 2 in ~90 minutes.

    Also, it looks like a medium grind rather than a fine grind eliminates or significantly improves the potential screen buildup and therefore any flow resistance and cleaning/maintenence issues. I guess a fine grind may not really be needed with the better oven anyway. Using a regular grinder upside down is much easier than doing a second grind with the MF finishing grinder, and if so, no more dealing with the issues of the finishing grinder of 1) no material storage, 2) only good with really dry material, 3) gunk buildup in grinder, 4) dealing with tiny stems, etc.

    To me this means I use my USB charger base (or buy one for $10-15) rather than buying a MF finishing grinder. That saves money and hassle.

    If you have some time to try this stuff out I would absolutely love to hear your experience and related thoughts.

    Thanks!

    • Very interesting!

      I’m def gonna do more charge time testing with different adapters, still wish they would have just put one in the box!! ;)

  • Hey Bud,
    I plan on buying one of the pax but im not sure which one. What i value most is efficiency (how much used vs. how much vapor is produced), strength of vapor, how much product it can hold in oven and cost.
    What do you recommend ?

    • Hey you mean you’re deciding between the two Paxes right?

      They’re both pretty much equal in the efficiency department, although the new version does produce a little more vapor and it’s a little higher quality.

      The oven size of the original is a tiny bit larger, holds roughly 0.4g versus 0.3g in the new one.

      Max draws from the first one is about 20 and it’s about 15 with the new one.

      They can also both be half-packed if you use the screen method I describe here: http://www.vapecritic.com/blog/2013/07/08/pax-tips/

      This allows you to use half the amount of material you need to fill it and you just get half the number of draws without any real noticeable decrease in quality.

  • Great review as always. I have based most of my vaporizer decisions on your input and my man at Vape World concurs. Could you please tell me what you meant at the end of the vid by “Cutting it too close”

    • Thanx! Sure what I mean is that the vape is worth the price but if it was priced any higher I’d begin to think they’re hitting the limit for what it is.

      So I guess I was hoping it was gonna be $250, it’s still worth it at $280, but if it came out at $300 or above I’d think it’s too much :)

      • If they had priced it over $300, I would have taken a hard look at the Crafty instead, stealthy-portability be damned…

  • Just so you know, when I tried to look up the vapium summit thru your connection, Vapeworld canada does not have it. I ended up buying one from a retailer here. Your review was right on. Its a nice unit. I put a brass spacer in the heating chamber, so I can use less herb. Works fine. Also I got a powder pan, normally used for loading powder into bullets, from amazon for $10. It is great for loading your herb into the heating chamber. No muss,no fuss.

    take care

  • Great review. Thanks for your hard work. However your stage light’s reflection in your sunglasses look like eyes. Hilarious and hard not to notice once you do. ;)

  • Not to be rude but had most the vapes you’ve had cause always trusted you but I can’t believe the pax 2 is better then the firefly…BUT WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN ORDERED THE MIGHTY BUT WANTED TO KNOW MIGHTY VS VOLCANO VS HERBIE PURELY OF VAPOR QUALITY to keep one at my brothers house since I smoke on the road vape at home

    • That is just my overall rating I still think the Firefly is awesome too!!

      FF has excellent vapor quality but has some disadvantages and is not quite as discreet or easy to use on-the-go as this one.

      This page lists just about everything I consider in my overall VapeRatings: https://www.vapecritic.com/ratings

      To answer your question, all 3 of those vapes produce excellent quality vapor, they’re the best of the best. Just think about balloon vaping versus how you vape with the Mighty, it’s a slightly different experience.

  • Hey Bud, I have a Firefly and a V2 series 3. I’m looking for another good discrete vape that can be used by 2 people. Do you think the Crafty is worth the extra $$ or do you think the Pax 2 would be a better compliment to what I have? From what I’ve read you prefer the Vapor quality of the FF so it’s not like the Crafty would be a step up there but I feel like it would be more discrete and easier to use than the FF which is a plus. The Pax2 is uber discrete but I usually don’t go through that much material. Anyway I’d love to hear your thoughts.

    • Hey so let me clarify a little,

      I think the taste of the Firefly vapor is superb but the Crafty produces the strongest or most potent vapor of any portable I’ve reviewed.

      The PAX 2 is somewhere in the middle – above average flavor, vapor production and potency, and certainly very discreet, just not quite top-shelf quality overall.

      Both of these are easier to use than the FF though, there’s really no technique required.

  • Sorta surprised you ranked 91/100. Your review felt more “middling,” particularly since they jacked up the price.

    At any rate. You’d probably call me a lightweight in the draw department, I’m definitely not interested in 10-15 draws per “session.” I’m more of a 3-5 tops guy.

    I’d been waiting to see/hear/read what you wrote about this 2.0 version — thanks for the quick post — and I’m trying to reconcile my draw count with your advice that it’s important to pack the chamber for best functioning, and also to get the best quality vapor. You also noted that if you pack it and don’t use it all, and come back to finish off later, quality suffers.

    So my question: Is there a workaround for people like me who don’t want to pack the chamber but also don’t want to sacrifice quality vape?

    If there is no work around, would you suggest biting the bullet and going for the Crafty?

    I dig your reviews.

  • Read your comment about being super loaded at work (me too! ugh) but sure you take pride in these reviews, so just wanted to leave a little honest feedback.. i’ve been waiting to watch/read your review for weeks as I respect your review more than anyone else online, however I have to say I’m disappointed. Compared to your other reviews it is lacking, especially for what I expected on what seems like a true vape staple. I watched a couple other peoples reviews and felt they were much more informative. I want your site and reviews to grow and become uber popular and that’s why I’m leaving this comment. I truly do appreciate all your reviews and time you put in, if it wasn’t for you I’d be a poor uneducated soul when it comes to vaping, so thank you! Stay up!

      • You are right man, I re-read my review multiple times and I wasn’t very thorough, I may have rushed it. I just spent some time and updated my written review by elaborating more on all of the key points.

        I’m also going to post a follow up video for this vape to go over everything I added and show the unit more up close.

        Thanks again for your feedback!

        • just stumbled on your site. thanks for all the effort, especially taking your critics seriously and re-examining your own work. sending positive clouds from brooklyn, dave

  • Hey bud, another sterling review! Got v2-pro-series 3 thanks to your review and been very happy with it. Although it hasn’t been without its frustrating moments. The PAX 2 looks good, was tempted by the v2-pro-series 7 but their forum is awash with early adopter woes and I suspect your review of it will probably reflect a similar experience. No need to respond, just mainly wanted to thanks for all the intel.

    • Hey thanks for posting Barry, really glad you’re diggin the V2!

      I’ll be posting my Series 7 review real soon but it’s not as impressive as I had hoped, it’s pretty average almost across the board.

      I still like their Series 3 pen though, they should stick to improving that one lol ;)

  • Bud my previous comment still needs answered but this other question came to me as well that won’t take but a minute and your best judgement. Would you prefer the V2 Pro Series 3, 7, or the Pax 2? And for whichever, why do you prefer sag for what special attributes? I’m still wanting to have answer for the other comment above but if you can easier this one For Now than that’ll help some.

    • Scratch the Series 7 off your list, I’m really not thrilled with it. It’s decent but I wouldn’t recommend it over others. I’ll be posting my full review of it real soon to explain.

      The Series 3 pen is nice, and the PAX 2 is nice.

      Get the pen if just want a light vapor and you only take a handful of draws at a time. It uses very little material, so it’s efficient but not super strong.

      Get this PAX if you want one of the best portable vapes I’ve tried under $300. It holds about 0.3g instead of 0.1g like the pen, but you get triple the number of draws and the vapor is much more robust.

        • Dude, Sebastian – your “questions” are way too numerous and long for him to answer. It’s not like this is a car dealership where it’s just a salesman who only lives to convince you what to buy. Bud has a life outside of this website – you shouldn’t keep bugging him to answer your questions that have already been answered in all his other reviews. Either send him money to compensate his time spent answering your multitude of questions, or go read his research and reviews for yourself. Bud’s been super polite to you; me, I would’ve already told you to piss off.

        • Hey Charlie, yes you will most likely use less material with this vape versus combusting.

          A unit like the Crafty produces even more and stronger vapor with the same amount of material, but the PAX is still pretty good in this department.

          Stay up!

  • Your reviews were critical in my decision to purchase the PAX when it came out. Thank you. Recently my mouthpiece has started having a problem with not staying in (popping out in my pocket.) When I read this review of the PAX 2 I wonder about these silicon tubes. Are they something that need replacement on a regular basis or are they washable? I prefer not to replace parts regularly.

    • Hey I do not believe the silicone mouthpieces of the new one are going to need replacing often, it’s pretty easy and quick to clean them and they don’t feel like a cheap material.

      You just can’t lose them ;)

  • Thanks for the review! How does the pax 2 fair against the crafty? If you only had one vaporizer to choose, which one would it be?

    • They’re on two different levels – the Crafty is like a BMW and the PAX is like an Acura or something like that.

      I think both are great but I do rate the Crafty the highest right now and would choose that one as my only vape if I really had to, but that better not ever happen!!

      • Thanks for the reply!

        I purchased the Crafty after reading your review and am thinking about buying the PAX 2 to compliment it. I have never vaporized my herbs before the Crafty and am wondering if I’ll be disappointed if I got a PAX 2. The price of the PAX 2 is not far off from the Crafty so I’m wondering if this will be worth it. hmm…

        • Excellent choice my friend!

          I think a better compliment to your Crafty would be a really nice desktop unit for home, something like the Herbalizer, Volcano or Cloud EVO perhaps. I’d say Plenty also cus it’s fantastic but the Crafty is basically a mini version of it :)

      • I am returning my third Crafty. All 3 have had the batteries die and I assume due to overheating. I have read many reviews online that have the same problem. Why do you continue to promote this as #1 with these problems. I love the way it works, but the batteries are bad!

    • Good question, when I say ‘strength’ I’m mainly talking about the potency of the vapor, or in other words the intensity of the end results :)

    • You really can’t wrong with either the Herbie or the Mighty but if you only vape at home I feel the Herbalizer is an excellent investment, it’s very versatile and can be used in various ways to keep it interesting.

  • Hey great review. I just got the original packs like two weeks ago and I’m loving it but now that I see there’s some kind of feel like I got ripped off. Should I try to sell my backs to a friend and upgrade or will I be just as happy with my original pax.

    • Hey don’t worry about it! The new one is cool but if you have the original you’re not missing out on too much, the first one is still one of my all-time faves!

  • Hey Bud, jumping on the Train of Vape Critic fans to award you with high thanks and even higher end results to wonderful recommendations you give us. I have posted a very long comment of my expectations for a vaporizer on the ‘Pax 2 Coming Soon’ link so that you could help me find the best option. You still haven’t responded and I understand you’re busy. To save you time, I’ll post that comment here:

    [text redacted to avoid duplication]

    • Hey Sebastian thanks a ton for posting I really appreciate it!

      I’m hoping to be able to get time to respond to your questions but I’m suuuperr loaded with work lately

      It might take me a little while but I’m gonna do my best to get back to you soon!

      Thank you again for commenting

      • Sure Bud, I have a deadline that need to beat and buy for my best friendplus with shipping delays I should make my decision by today (Thursday) or at the latest tomorrow (Friday) so that I will receive whatever you help me decide on by sometime Monday. I definitely appreciate your help and will follow through your links to help you once you’ve helped me decide. You’re awesome man!

        -Sebastian

    • I just got pax 2 but aren’t getting nearly what u get. Your smoking out the car n I only get 3 baby hits off a full bowl I’m so disappointed n both this one per your review

      • hardly any vapor if not packed correctly. also screen has to be kinda crooked . I wonder if a regular screen would work better

    • Tough call… Herbalizer for taste and smoothness at any temperature, Mighty for vapor strength (although it’s still tasty and smooth).

      The other big difference of course is the portability ;)

  • From what I’ve read on the lip sensing tech, when your lips hit the rim it kicks into full power in the oven briefly to keep the herb at optimal temp.
    ( Since it would be cooling down sitting on the table between hits )

    • Yes that is what I read also but if I’m holding the vape in my hand for the whole session I can’t notice anything different happening before, during or after my draws.

      If you set the vape down between pulls it does go into sort of a standby after a few like you mentioned

    • I fill the oven then go for lvl 3 and hit on first green after wait 10 15 secs then turn off and hit again later – seems better hits this way rather than keeping it green – but I could easily be doing it incorrectly. Major purpose of buy was accomplished – no harshness, heat… I like it.

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